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		<title>I&#8217;m for the Open Web</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<style>.newl {display:none}</style><div class=newl></div>I&#8217;ve been struggling with the relevance of Data Portability for the last few months now.  The ideas around Data Portability have been a work-in-progress for several years; the technologies and communities building them are mature in every way.  In this post, I want to try to explain my reasons for leaving the Data [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been struggling with the relevance of <a href="http://dataportability.org">Data Portability</a> for the last few months now.  The ideas around Data Portability have been a work-in-progress for several years; the technologies and communities building them are mature in every way.  In this post, I want to try to explain my reasons for leaving the Data Portability project and why I think the Open Web is significantly more important.</p>
<p>I know when I was first introduced to Data Portability I was skeptical but when the ensuing media circus flooded the blogosphere, I had no choice but to <a href="http://blog.strands.com/2008/01/23/why-mystrands-is-joining-the-data-portability-workgroup/">jump right in</a>.  Many of the people developing the open protocols co-opted by the Data Portability project have hinted (both publicly and privately) at leaving.  Others have just <a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/26/data-portability-and-thinking-ahead-to-2008/">outright</a> <a href="http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/05/the-big-pink-el.html">left</a>. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with Data Portability as a whole as much as I do with its leader, Chris Saad.  The lack of clarity of vision, <a href="http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/violent-opposition/">the delusions of grandeur</a> and <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/08/myspace-embraces-data-portability-partners-with-yahoo-ebay-and-twitter/">blatant pandering</a> are so frustrating to someone such as myself that has worked so hard to actually <bold>do</bold> something in this space.  I know I&#8217;m not alone here, but this week, I reached a tipping point.</p>
<p>First of all, a little history.</p>
<p>David Recordon and I made a point of inviting Chris Saad out to the <a href="http://sgfoocamp08.pbwiki.com/FrontPage">Social Graph FooCamp</a> in February 2008 as Data Portability was really starting to take the main stage.  On the last day, at the eleventh hour, Saad led <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/kveton/2241696560/in/set-72157603849998661/">a talk</a> on Data Portability that got rather heated.  Chris Messina, Joseph Smarr, Jeremy Keith, Tantek and many, many others were there saying the same thing: we&#8217;re already having these discussions, why do we have to do it now at dataportability.org?  We left Sebastopol that afternoon hoping to have Chris Saad really carry on the conversation with the wider audience he had brought to the table.  Instead, we continued to hear more calls of &#8220;come join the conversation on dataportability.org&#8221; coupled with empty press releases instead of real leadership.</p>
<p>At the <a href="http://datasharingsummit.com/dsswiki/index.php?title=Main_Page">Data Sharing Workshop</a> where Marc Canter put it all into <a href="http://valleywag.com/381686/and-then-i-went-to-the-island-of-empty-chairs-wish-bear-said-to-grumpy-bear">context</a> for me (and then he <a href="http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/june-5th-blogging-08">prodded</a> me again yesterday).  Data Portability is about <a href="http://www.apml.org/">APML</a> riding along with the rest of the well-known and established Open Web protocols.</p>
<p>Marc and I have had our differences in the past, but on this we both agree.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been in the Chris Messina <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/dataportabilityactionsteering/msg/3a8b31cae01dc294">Don&#8217;t-stab-babies-in-the-face</a> camp with respect to data portability.  Lower-case data portability embodies many of the same ideals around the Open Web.  Many small open building blocks, loosely joined helping to enable data exchange and control for users.  How can you not like that?!</p>
<p>My reasons are particularly personal for not wanting to participate in Data Portability anymore.  I&#8217;ve spent close to the last two years chairing the OpenID Foundation board.  I&#8217;ve seen a fantastic community coalesce out of nothing to create a technology that has been widely adopted.  When Data Portability pulled OpenID into its technology stack, I was actually really excited.  However, with the expectations set by the media around Data Portability and the lack of follow-through has the potential to negatively impact all of the hard work by these existing communities have done.</p>
<p>My tipping point about this came earlier this week when <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&#038;STORY=/www/story/06-03-2008/0004825226&#038;EDATE=">Jive Software</a> joined the Data Portability group.  I love the folks at Jive, have known them for years and always wish them well.  However, its a bummer that even folks from my hometown can be misled by this DP media hoopla.  When I read Sam Lawrence <a href="http://gobigalways.com/enterprise-data-portability-needs-a-reputation-standard/">say</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
In the meantime, we’re interested in working with the Data Portability group to help contribute to these standards as well as new ones as well. Hopefully, the organization is now at a point in its evolution to proceed with formal and elected leadership, a standards body, voting process and the rest of the stuff that makes organizations successful.
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<p>I realized even Jive had been fooled by the hype around Data Portability.  DP is not about <a href="http://wiki.dataportability.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=1114398">creating new technology</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Some things that The DataPortability Project is not:</p>
<ul>
<li>We are not a group focused on creating new technologies. DataPortability intends to work with tools that already exist today.</li>
<li>The group is primarily focused on consumer facing technologies and not those aimed at corporate internal use.</li>
</ul>
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<p>Chris was quoted in Jive&#8217;s press release.  He knew about this announcement.  And yet, as he did with the &#8220;Data Availability&#8221; <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/08/myspace-embraces-data-portability-partners-with-yahoo-ebay-and-twitter/">release</a> that MySpace did, he opted to &#8220;take-all-comers&#8221; instead of stay focused on the <a href="http://wiki.dataportability.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=1114398">specific mission</a> of the Data Portabililty project.</p>
<p>More importantly, its not where the discussions about these protocols are happening.  They are already happening on <a href="http://openid.net">openid.net</a>, <a href="http://oauth.net">oauth.net</a>, <a href="http://microformats.org">microformats.org</a> and many, many others.  I&#8217;m excited to see people <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/browse_thread/thread/749c9ac165d188b4">talking about OpenID</a> within the Data Portability project, but I feel like they are actually taking away from the existing communities <bold>and</bold> misleading the new members of the Data Portability community.</p>
<p>I put the blame for this type of messaging and lack of clarity squarely on the back of Chris Saad.  I&#8217;m actually really amazed at the quality of people that have joined the Data Portability community.  They are well-spoken, understand the meaning of collaborative discussion and are very passionate about the project itself.  But Chris hasn&#8217;t shown the ability to stick to the goals and mission of his organization and community.  In fact, the <bold>DP community</bold> does a better job of staying on point than Chris does.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.davidrecordon.com">David Recordon</a> is on the right track; <a href="http://daveman692.livejournal.com/335417.html">how do you support the Open Web</a>?  To me, the Open Web is what this is all about.  The Open Web is the key to the <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/30/friendfeed-the-centralized-me-and-data-portability/">centralized me</a> or <a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/category/citizen-centric-web/">citizen-centric web</a> we hear so many people talking about.  Without interoperable formats and protocols, all of this stuff will be a pipe dream.</p>
<p>Instead of just complaining, I&#8217;m going to continue focusing my efforts where I think I can make the most impact.  I&#8217;m going to continue working hard to promote and enable the OpenID community, I&#8217;m going to continue to encourage and engage in discussions with projects like OAuth, microformats, <a href="http://diso-project.org">DiSo</a> and others and I encourage everyone to join me in doing the same.</p>
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		<title>SXSW-bound?: Let&#8217;s talk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kveton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most lively discussions at SG FooCamp was the Data Portability talk.  Chris Saad was the host and a bevy of folks (Chris Messina, daveman692, Eran Hammer-Lahav, jsmarr, Tantek, Adactio, John Panzer, Eran Sandler and many others) were there talking about how to turn all of the Data Portability energy and excitement [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most lively discussions at <a href="">SG FooCamp</a> was the Data Portability talk.  Chris Saad was the host and a bevy of folks (<a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog">Chris Messina</a>, <a href="http://www.davidrecordon.com">daveman692</a>, <a href="http://hueniverse.com">Eran Hammer-Lahav</a>, <a href="http://josephsmarr.com/">jsmarr</a>, <a href="http://tantek.com">Tantek</a>, <a href="http://adactio.com">Adactio</a>, <a href="http://www.johnpanzer.com/">John Panzer</a>, <a href="http://eran.sandler.co.il/">Eran Sandler</a> and <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/kveton/2241696560/in/set-72157603849998661/">many others</a>) were there talking about how to turn all of the Data Portability energy and excitement into something tangible.  One of the ideas was for Chris Saad to turn <a href="http://dataportability.org">DataPortability.org</a> into the place for the discussion about how all of these technologies can work together and hopefully relate the conversations happening in each of the communities.</p>
<p>I know Chris has done a few of these videos already:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://seesmic.com/v/Co8lFpDaMz">http://seesmic.com/v/Co8lFpDaMz</a></li>
<li><a href="http://seesmic.com/v/fN4utUYa6C">http://seesmic.com/v/fN4utUYa6C</a></li>
<li><a href="http://seesmic.com/v/laUHx3ie9j">http://seesmic.com/v/laUHx3ie9j</a></li>
<li><a href="http://seesmic.com/v/qcdpwCUX4l">http://seesmic.com/v/qcdpwCUX4l</a></li>
<li><a href="http://seesmic.com/v/sb8qjEF57p">http://seesmic.com/v/sb8qjEF57p</a></li>
<li><a href="http://seesmic.com/v/Dk76sdlGMk">http://seesmic.com/v/Dk76sdlGMk</a></li>
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<p>This is a great start and I want to do my part.  I like the ideas, momentum and people that have come around the Data Portability Workgroup, so this weekend at <a href="">SXSW 2008</a> I&#8217;m going to actually <strong>do</strong> something instead of just listening quietly on the mailing lists &#8230; :-)</p>
<p>Myself (look for me in some sort of Portland/Bacon themed t-shirt) and fellow Vidoop partner-in-crime <a href="http://luke.myvidoop.com">Luke Sontag</a> will be <strike>prowling</strike> walking the expo floor, taking in sessions, attending pre/post events, raiding <a href="http://barcamp.org/BarCampAustinIII">BarCamp Austin III</a> and everywhere in between seeking out <strong>your</strong> thoughts on Data Portability, the Open Web, portable social networking, <a href="http://diso-project.org">DiSo</a>, whatever.  These topics mean a lot of things to a lot of people and most importantly to those of us in each of our communities (<a href="http://openid.net">OpenID</a>, <a href="http://oauth.net">OAuth</a>, <a href="http://microformats.org">microformats</a>, etc).  The goal is to simply document thoughts from people in the space (and not just the &#8220;leaders&#8221; either) and make it accessible to everyone wanting to participate in the conversation.  Hopefully this will increase awareness and help people come together more effectively on the problems at hand.</p>
<p>A few of the questions I&#8217;d like to pose:</p>
<ul>
<li>What has the impact of the Open Web been for you, your work or the applications that you use?</li>
<li>What does Data Portability mean for the work that you&#8217;re doing today?  For the applications that you use?</li>
<li>Is portable/distributed social networking/DiSo possible and what are some steps to move it in the right direction today?  Where should we be by 2009?</li>
<li>Every web site seems to have a life streaming component now, does it matter?  Is it relevant?  What are your thoughts on life/action streaming?</li>
<li>OpenID and OAuth both have the concept of an end-point that does interesting things for the user.  What are some possibilities for this end-point with relation to the work you&#8217;re doing?  The applications you&#8217;re using?</li>
<li>Google announced the beta of Google Health and its inevitable that more and more of our data will be ending up on-line.  Is this a good thing?  How can you better manage and protect this data?</li>
</ul>
<p>These will be short, bite-sized interviews (hopefully under 5 minutes or so) and we&#8217;ll get them on-line as quickly as our crack <a href="http://twitter.com/rachelpalooza">video team</a> can get them up.  I&#8217;ve already lined up a few really great people to chat with so far and am looking for more.  Would you like to weigh in on the questions above?  Do you have other questions you&#8217;d like to ask?  Comment below and I&#8217;ll either work the question in or find you at SXSW.  See you all in Austin!</p>
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		<title>SG FooCamp &#8216;08 wrap-up</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kveton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m at SFO on my way back to Portland after a fantastic weekend in Sebastopol, CA at SG FooCamp &#8216;08.  A really, really huge thanks to Tim O&#8217;Reilly, Sara Winge, Tony and the rest of the O&#8217;Reilly staff for providing a fantastic venue for this event.  Also, we had some great sponsors in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at SFO on my way back to Portland after a fantastic weekend in Sebastopol, CA at <a href="http://sgfoocamp08.pbwiki.com">SG FooCamp &#8216;08</a>.  A really, really huge thanks to Tim O&#8217;Reilly, Sara Winge, Tony and the rest of the O&#8217;Reilly staff for providing a fantastic venue for this event.  Also, we had some great sponsors in BBC, Google, MyStrands, Six Apart and Yahoo!  We couldn&#8217;t have done it without you.</p>
<p>As a little background, <a href="http://www.davidrecordon.com">David Recordon</a> and I came up with the idea for SG FooCamp literally 44 days ago.  The original idea was to get a bunch of hackers together, lock them in a room for a weekend and see what happens with respect to distributed/portable social networking, data portability, etc.  Slowly but surely the invite list went from 10, to 25, to 30 &#8230; then David mentioned it to Tim and the idea was hatched to turn it into a FooCamp style event and host it in Sebastopol.  Sweet.  Now we can go all the way up to 70 people.  We blew through that about an hour later and by the time all was said and done, we had over 100 people show up for the event.</p>
<p>It rained most of the weekend in Sebastopol (I must have brought it from Oregon with me) but the rain actually forced folks to stay inside and participate &#8230; the <a href="http://icanhaz.com/sgfoo">sessions</a> were fast and furious and some of them pretty intense.  It was cramped inside the O&#8217;Reilly facility but it sort of reminded me of the old school <a href="http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/">OSCON</a> events hosted in the basement of the Portland Marriot; small spaces led to so many great conversations (and the booze helped to lubricate things).</p>
<p>Some of my favorite moments:</p>
<ul>
<li>Putting <a href="http://sgfoocamp08.pbwiki.com/FrontPage">names</a> with faces for just about everybody else I follow in Twitter</li>
<li>Chris Mocko amazing us with his statistical prowess (&#8220;I&#8217;m less likely to be a werewolf this round&#8221;)</li>
<li>Drinking the XMPP koolaid &#8211; XMPP may be the killer app that drives things like OAuth and OpenID &#8230; its the data stupid.  Really cool stuff Twitter is doing in this space.</li>
<li>Great OpenID/OAuth discussions</li>
<li>Portland representin&#8217; with <a href="http://www.jivesoftware.com/blog/author/matt">Matt Tucker</a>, <a href="http://wk.typepad.com/">Renny Gleeson</a>, <a href="http://brianellin.com">Brian Ellin</a> and myself (and technically Brad and David)</li>
<li>Watching <a href="http://brad.livejournal.com">Brad</a> and <a href="http://www.hueniverse.com/">Eran</a> figure out OpenID <-> Email identifier <a href="http://brad.livejournal.com/2357444.html">specification</a> in a matter of minutes.
<li>Discovery, discovery, discovery.</li>
<li>Talking about OpenID as a URL (why is that interesting?) as well as UI.</li>
<li>Realizing that Joseph Smarr is not only a great developer and evangelist for Plaxo, he&#8217;s also a great entertainer and tequila provider &#8230; err enabler.</li>
<li>Fantastic Open IPR discussions (yes, this can be fantastic) &#8230; I&#8217;m always drawn finding an end solution and the idea was hatched for an administrative org like &#8220;The Open Web Foundation&#8221; to help technologies like OpenID, OAuth and others &#8230; who knows if it makes sense &#8230; hoping to talk more about this.
<li>Quality time with <a href="http://factoryjoe.com">Chris Messina.</a></li>
<li>Renny Gleeson coining the term &#8220;ebrandgelist&#8221; and thinking he actually coined it &#8230; :-)</li>
<li>Making Sara Winge laugh and doing my video interview after far, far too much cider.</li>
<li>Endless games of werewolf until late, late, late into the night.</li>
<li>Getting to meet Chris Saad and talk seriously about Data Portability (have a whole other post to share on this).</li>
<li>Sleeping outside both nights while the temperature was in the 30&#8217;s &#8230; I knew I kept that +15 bag for a reason.</li>
</ul>
<p>I took about 500 pictures over the weekend and will be posting them on Flickr soon (its going to be tough; <a href="http://igniteportland.com">Ignite Portland 2</a> is on Tuesday and I&#8217;m not ready!)</p>
<p>What started as a weekend of hacking turned into a chance to bring together a bunch of different folks that don&#8217;t necessarily know each other.  The biggest thing I&#8217;m taking away from this weekend is the direct connection to so many fantastic people.  Now when I see their tweets, I&#8217;ll hear their voices and see their faces.  I don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ll do this event again.  There was so much interest and we could have done a Social Graph conference on this (easily I think).  Hopefully we can weave some of those themes into upcoming events like the Data Sharing Summit or even IIW.</p>
<p>Thanks everybody for participating and I can&#8217;t wait to see everybody again soon.</p>
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